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You’re a screwball. Marilyn trains about a hundred dogs a month. You can’t talk dog training with her because you don’t know enough about it. Jerry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I pretty much ignored Kandace until she decided to start >>flagging my posts, >Hi Michael, >Madness isn’t it 
>It’s not only you… She’s done the same to >Charlie, Shelly, Weakapple etc…. just in the last few days. >I think her automatic reply must be faulty. >If you want to write to her, I believe you have to >put ‘walk on’ in the subject line. >Also, I think she’s writing to all new posters >so it may be a good idea to let new posters know >that her information is faulty at present. >We could all be listed as trolls to be ignored if >she goes on this way – and she’s a newbie! >Marilyn >P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: >I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts > Since you are not a troll, Marilyn, what is the reason for > your constant changes of email address? It can’t be to > evade killfiles, can it? > Anything in newsranger’s TOS about changing email addresses > to evade killfiles? > Pat
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> Is kibology one of those cults that sucks off peoples’ assets and > leaves them nutless and dead with a bellyful of poisoned Koolaid?
Fla-Vor-Aid, actually. > P.S. Who xp’d this to a.r.k. in the first place, anyway? Sure wasn’t > me! I see Karen J. Cravens is over there a lot, though.
Only in crossposts like this, although I suspect they’re my kind of people. I really make you nervous, don’t I? And I haven’t even *done* anything. Look, here, I’ll help you out. First, view full headers. You’re using, what, Forte? Shouldn’t be hard to do, Forte’s not like Outlook where they try to hide that option from you because headers are scary. Okay, see the one called "References"? Got a bunch of message-id’s in it, oldest to newest. Forte might allow you to click on them directly, in which case you can just walk back up the thread and see where ark got added. (I’ll help you out a little, and tell you you can skip the posts from me. In fact, as I look at the references line, I’ll help you out even more, and point out that there aren’t any recent posts from me in there. And you can ask Smith and if he has *any* technical clue at all, he’ll promise you that the odds I performed some sinister voodoo and caused someone else, maybe even you, to insert the newsgroup, are pretty slim.) If Forte doesn’t let you click there, switch to Xnews. But in the meantime, clip out a message-id, run over to http://groups.google.com/ and go to the advanced options, and put in the message-id in the field that asks for it. There y’go. You can reconstruct the whole thread, and find out who scared you so much. — Karen J. Cravens
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> You mean "Charlie"? >>> Who keeps changing his "accents" to avoid killfiles? >>> He’s been here before. >>> I just activated the ultimate file to get rid of him. >>> He’s painfully obvious. >>> Terri >> LOOK OUT CHARLIE, IT’S THE OBVIOUS BAG! >> Dave "I can’t watch!" DeLaney > Hi Dave, > I haven’t seen you hear before. You aren’t one of the people from the > kibology group are you??? > What is kibology, anyway? >Here we go again! Get out your wallet, Charlie. >Paula
I’m serious. What is kibology? Why do I need to get out my wallet? Is kibology one of those cults that sucks off peoples’ assets and leaves them nutless and dead with a bellyful of poisoned Koolaid? Dave DeLaney, care to explain??? Charlie P.S. Who xp’d this to a.r.k. in the first place, anyway? Sure wasn’t me! I see Karen J. Cravens is over there a lot, though.
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>>LOOK OUT CHARLIE, IT’S THE OBVIOUS BAG! >Dave "I can’t watch!" DeLaney >Hi Dave, >I haven’t seen you hear before. You aren’t one of the people from the >kibology group are you???
Aren’t I? >What is kibology, anyway?
(See, that’s how to do it, kids.) Several people will now join in, raggedly, on the chorus. Dave "let’s see how many agree with Charles Nelson Reilly" DeLaney — It’s not the clock that slows the hour The definition’s plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" – R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://panacea.phys.utk.edu/~dbd/ – net.legends FAQ/ I WUV you in all CAPS! –K.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>> You mean "Charlie"? >>>> Who keeps changing his "accents" to avoid killfiles? >>>> He’s been here before. >>>> I just activated the ultimate file to get rid of him. >>>> He’s painfully obvious. >>>> Terri >>> LOOK OUT CHARLIE, IT’S THE OBVIOUS BAG! >>> Dave "I can’t watch!" DeLaney >> Hi Dave, >> I haven’t seen you hear before. You aren’t one of the people from the >> kibology group are you??? >> What is kibology, anyway? >Here we go again! Get out your wallet, Charlie. >Paula > I’m serious. What is kibology? Why do I need to get out my wallet? > Is kibology one of those cults that sucks off peoples’ assets and > leaves them nutless and dead with a bellyful of poisoned Koolaid?
Yep. Now that thats all cleared up for you…
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> You mean "Charlie"? >> Who keeps changing his "accents" to avoid killfiles? >> He’s been here before. >> I just activated the ultimate file to get rid of him. >> He’s painfully obvious. >> Terri > LOOK OUT CHARLIE, IT’S THE OBVIOUS BAG! > Dave "I can’t watch!" DeLaney > Hi Dave, > I haven’t seen you hear before. You aren’t one of the people from the > kibology group are you??? > What is kibology, anyway?
Here we go again! Get out your wallet, Charlie. Paula
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>>>LOOK OUT CHARLIE, IT’S THE OBVIOUS BAG! >>Dave "I can’t watch!" DeLaney >Hi Dave, >I haven’t seen you hear before. You aren’t one of the people from the >kibology group are you??? >Aren’t I?
Aren’t you won’t they’re there! >What is kibology, anyway?
20! Bucks! Same! As! In! Town! >(See, that’s how to do it, kids.) Several people will now join in, raggedly, >on the chorus.
–Terri & Harlan (we are the chorus, we hope you like our show…) — We’ll know that we are truly equal when we can order bulletproof vests by cup size –Lynn Kosmakos 6/4/00
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>You mean "Charlie"? >Who keeps changing his "accents" to avoid killfiles? >He’s been here before. >I just activated the ultimate file to get rid of him. >He’s painfully obvious. >Terri
LOOK OUT CHARLIE, IT’S THE OBVIOUS BAG! Dave "I can’t watch!" DeLaney — It’s not the clock that slows the hour The definition’s plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" – R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://panacea.phys.utk.edu/~dbd/ – net.legends FAQ/ I WUV you in all CAPS! –K.
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>>> Marilyn >> P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: >> I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts >That’s just _exactly_ what a troll would say. >Plus, the constant changing of the email addy to avoid killfiles is a >dead giveaway. >You mean "Charlie"?
No, in this case I was referring to the Marilyn. In this case, she was using the name "Not at troll". I mean, people who aren’t trolls don’t have to go around telling people that they aren’t, do they? –Terri & Harlan (elementary, my dear Watson) — We’ll know that we are truly equal when we can order bulletproof vests by cup size –Lynn Kosmakos 6/4/00
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>>You mean "Charlie"? >Who keeps changing his "accents" to avoid killfiles? >He’s been here before. >I just activated the ultimate file to get rid of him. >He’s painfully obvious. >Terri >LOOK OUT CHARLIE, IT’S THE OBVIOUS BAG! >Dave "I can’t watch!" DeLaney
Hi Dave, I haven’t seen you hear before. You aren’t one of the people from the kibology group are you??? What is kibology, anyway? Charlie
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> No, I’m not who they were talking about, Terri. They were talking > about one of the many other "trolls" whom they want to ban from > Usenet, so as to make it a safe place for their dull prattle and > mutual congratulations. > I wonder if any of you techie types have considered setting up >your > own dog-behavior BBS? Then you can invite all your fellow nitwits >and > limit access according to any criteria you choose. > That might truly be the "ultimate file," eh? > Charlie > ~~ > BTW, who added a.r.k. to this thread? It wasn’t me. > Assholes. >Hello Admirable, >They did. john richardson and dena pace both had something going but >they fell apart on account of all they talked about was Jerry. Jerry >didn’t even go there. So they brought themselves back here on >account of they got a big problem… Adios. j;~}
Some specialized web message boards are good for technical content — I use one to get information about my 1951 8N tractor, for example — but the ones started by disgruntled Usenetters are uniformly BAD. All the real talent stays in the froups or is kept out by the priggish pomposity of the moderators. "It’s very bad form to joke about using a plug-in extension cord for a shock collar, old chap. We’re not here to have fun; our mandate is to patronize and protect the world’s imbeciles!" Keep up the good work, Jerry. I’ve said it before, and I will say it once again: you are a ray of sunshine in a dank and rancid corner of Usenet. Charlie
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Marilyn >>> P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: >>> I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts >>That’s just _exactly_ what a troll would say. >>Plus, the constant changing of the email addy to avoid killfiles is a >>dead giveaway. >You mean "Charlie"? >Who keeps changing his "accents" to avoid killfiles? >He’s been here before. >I just activated the ultimate file to get rid of him. >He’s painfully obvious. >Terri > No, I’m not who they were talking about, Terri. They were talking > about one of the many other "trolls" whom they want to ban from > Usenet, so as to make it a safe place for their dull prattle and > mutual congratulations. > I wonder if any of you techie types have considered setting up your > own dog-behavior BBS? Then you can invite all your fellow nitwits and > limit access according to any criteria you choose. > That might truly be the "ultimate file," eh? > Charlie > ~~ > BTW, who added a.r.k. to this thread? It wasn’t me. > Assholes.
Hello Admirable, They did. john richardson and dena pace both had something going but they fell apart on account of all they talked about was Jerry. Jerry didn’t even go there. So they brought themselves back here on account of they got a big problem… Adios. j;~} "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: CAVEAT If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows HOWE. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Marilyn >> P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: >> I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts >That’s just _exactly_ what a troll would say. >Plus, the constant changing of the email addy to avoid killfiles is a >dead giveaway. >You mean "Charlie"? >Who keeps changing his "accents" to avoid killfiles? >He’s been here before. >I just activated the ultimate file to get rid of him. >He’s painfully obvious. >Terri
No, I’m not who they were talking about, Terri. They were talking about one of the many other "trolls" whom they want to ban from Usenet, so as to make it a safe place for their dull prattle and mutual congratulations. I wonder if any of you techie types have considered setting up your own dog-behavior BBS? Then you can invite all your fellow nitwits and limit access according to any criteria you choose. That might truly be the "ultimate file," eh? Charlie ~~ BTW, who added a.r.k. to this thread? It wasn’t me. Assholes.
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>> Marilyn > P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: > I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts >That’s just _exactly_ what a troll would say. >Plus, the constant changing of the email addy to avoid killfiles is a >dead giveaway.
You mean "Charlie"? Who keeps changing his "accents" to avoid killfiles? He’s been here before. I just activated the ultimate file to get rid of him. He’s painfully obvious. Terri
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>> Marilyn >> P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: >> I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts >That’s just _exactly_ what a troll would say. > And it’s exactly what a ‘not a troll’ would say too > Marilyn
Odd … but every time I see "Troll" it reminds me of my wife’s shopping lists. We regularly have to buy Trolls … we hang them in a little dispenser in the bathroom and unwrap the paper from them in long strips. Each time the paper runs out we hang another one there. When the stock of fully-wrapped Trolls gets low she writes Trolls on the shopping list again …
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says… > Marilyn > P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: > I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts >That’s just _exactly_ what a troll would say.
And it’s exactly what a ‘not a troll’ would say too Marilyn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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> Marilyn > P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: > I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts
That’s just _exactly_ what a troll would say. Plus, the constant changing of the email addy to avoid killfiles is a dead giveaway. –Terri & Harlan
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I pretty much ignored Kandace until she decided to start >flagging my posts, >Hi Michael, >Madness isn’t it >It’s not only you… She’s done the same to >Charlie, Shelly, Weakapple etc…. just in the last few days. >I think her automatic reply must be faulty. >If you want to write to her, I believe you have to >put ‘walk on’ in the subject line. >Also, I think she’s writing to all new posters >so it may be a good idea to let new posters know >that her information is faulty at present. >We could all be listed as trolls to be ignored if >she goes on this way – and she’s a newbie! >Marilyn >P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: >I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts
I came in here with a basic question a few weeks ago, and immediately encountered a barrage of hazing about who I should ignore, who I should killfile, etc. Jerry was kind enough to send me his manual, and at first I thought it was a little nutty, but then I read part of it and it made sense. I acknowledged as much, and the rest is history… Suddenly, I was a "troll." People even started dredging up my comments to some racist who calls himself "God Almighty" and floods the Seattle groups. Anyone who does not see that my "racist" stance in that thread was a parody is an idiot, and if saying so makes me a "troll" in the eyes of this NG, then I think y’all need to grow up. Anyway, these people got me riled up. I decided to stay, to contribute what I can toward a compassionate view of dogs and intelligent discourse on their oft-perplexing behavioral problems. Charlie Master of the extended ASCII character set – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> so I decided to find out, just for >curiosity’s sake, who this virtual Border Collie bitch is. >She lives in the virtual backyard of the Cravens residence >in Wichita Kansas. >Here Kandace, here girl! Here’s a cookie, now go tell your >mommy to get a life. That’s a good girly wirly Kandace >wandace (5-15 seconds of non physical praise). That’s a good >girly perly wirly Kandace!! >This is Michael >Reporting Live… >http://dogtv.com
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Hi Marilyn, Nothing faulty about Kandace, she’s doing exactly what her owner tells her to do. I think you’ll do better to send an email to Kandace’s owner, and tell her to walk on, if you have a problem with the little girly perly wirly Kandace Wandace!! (5-15 seconds of non physical praise). As usual, it’s not the dogs who are the problem, it’s the owners. This is Michael Reporting live… http://dogtv.com Is THIS dog dangerous, or a good watchdog? From the forthcoming video "Bite This" http://dogtv.com/dangerous_chow.rm (2.85 mb Real Video) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I pretty much ignored Kandace until she decided to start >flagging my posts, > Hi Michael, > Madness isn’t it > It’s not only you… She’s done the same to > Charlie, Shelly, Weakapple etc…. just in the last few days. > I think her automatic reply must be faulty. > If you want to write to her, I believe you have to > put ‘walk on’ in the subject line. > Also, I think she’s writing to all new posters > so it may be a good idea to let new posters know > that her information is faulty at present. > We could all be listed as trolls to be ignored if > she goes on this way – and she’s a newbie! > Marilyn > P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: > I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts > so I decided to find out, just for >curiosity’s sake, who this virtual Border Collie bitch is. >She lives in the virtual backyard of the Cravens residence >in Wichita Kansas. >Here Kandace, here girl! Here’s a cookie, now go tell your >mommy to get a life. That’s a good girly wirly Kandace >wandace (5-15 seconds of non physical praise). That’s a good >girly perly wirly Kandace!! >This is Michael >Reporting Live… >http://dogtv.com
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>Wow, what impressive detective skills.
I can’t believe how long that took. With clues in the header and everything. — Karen J. Cravens
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Who gives a crap about you lying, dog abusing Thugs anyway? You’ve never contributed anything to our forum. You’re probably dogman in disguise as karen… j;~} – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Wow, what impressive detective skills. > I can’t believe how long that took. With clues in the header and > everything. > — > Karen J. Cravens
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> I pretty much ignored Kandace until she decided to start > flagging my posts, so I decided to find out, just for > curiosity’s sake, who this virtual Border Collie bitch is. > She lives in the virtual backyard of the Cravens residence > in Wichita Kansas. > Here Kandace, here girl! Here’s a cookie, now go tell your > mommy to get a life. That’s a good girly wirly Kandace > wandace (5-15 seconds of non physical praise). That’s a good > girly perly wirly Kandace!!
Wow, what impressive detective skills. –Terri & Harlan
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I pretty much ignored Kandace until she decided to start flagging my posts, so I decided to find out, just for curiosity’s sake, who this virtual Border Collie bitch is. She lives in the virtual backyard of the Cravens residence in Wichita Kansas. Here Kandace, here girl! Here’s a cookie, now go tell your mommy to get a life. That’s a good girly wirly Kandace wandace (5-15 seconds of non physical praise). That’s a good girly perly wirly Kandace!! This is Michael Reporting Live… http://dogtv.com
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>I pretty much ignored Kandace until she decided to start >flagging my posts,
Hi Michael, Madness isn’t it It’s not only you… She’s done the same to Charlie, Shelly, Weakapple etc…. just in the last few days. I think her automatic reply must be faulty. If you want to write to her, I believe you have to put ‘walk on’ in the subject line. Also, I think she’s writing to all new posters so it may be a good idea to let new posters know that her information is faulty at present. We could all be listed as trolls to be ignored if she goes on this way – and she’s a newbie! Marilyn P.S. NOTE TO NEW POSTERS: I’m not a troll, so please ‘do’ respond to my posts – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> so I decided to find out, just for >curiosity’s sake, who this virtual Border Collie bitch is. >She lives in the virtual backyard of the Cravens residence >in Wichita Kansas. >Here Kandace, here girl! Here’s a cookie, now go tell your >mommy to get a life. That’s a good girly wirly Kandace >wandace (5-15 seconds of non physical praise). That’s a good >girly perly wirly Kandace!! >This is Michael >Reporting Live… >http://dogtv.com
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. My family consists of me, my wife a 4 yr old son and a toddler boy. Space is not a problem in my house (big house, big yard). I’ll be moving to Florida soon so my dog would have to tolerate warm weather well. Since my wife would be staying at home now to take care of the kids I’ll like a breed that could "protect" (or at least help on this by intimidation) my family while I’m not at home. Then at the same time It’ll have to be a good breed with children. I’m thinking of a dog size of 23" or above but I don’t think my wife would like to handle a >120 pounder animal. I’ll like for the dog to accompany me in my daily jogs and be kind of OK with just laying around in the house when inside. Even temper and stability is a BIG plus. I don’t care the amount of work to maintain my dog but prefer that the coats would not be too long and not an extra heavy shedder (and kind of prefer wire-haired dogs) but the character of the dog is the trait I care more about. So you see what is my problem, this is kind of a "toughfy" dog to find. I’ve read the Tortora books plus some other "family oriented" dog books and I’ve found certain breeds that look like sort of a fit with pros and cons. My wife is in love with both Labradors and Bernese Mountain dogs, I’m in love with Airedale Terriers and Bouves de Flandres. Any other dogs that would more or less fit my requirements? There are some dogs that are difficult to handle for first time owners (which my wife is) and even tough it will be primarily my dog I’ll like for them to not have a tough time with the dog (this disqualifies Chessies, etc). If you could point me in the right direction I’ll really appreciate it. Please, reply to me by e-mail if possible but I’ll also check the ng. Thanx a bunch, Rick Hernandez 